hi folks;.
news about the watchtower is spreading, and the guys at legal dep don't like it.
here is a few places:.
When you say "the Society," which do you mean?
The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
(recently changed its signage from Watchtower Drive--makes you go hmmmm.
That's the old Service Department, Legal, and who writes to congs, COs, DOs in the U.S. That's "the Society" de facto for many.
Or
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania.
A little more than trivia?
i'm just like everyone else here when it comes to the upcoming dateline nbc segment.
i am really anxious to hear in advance what is going to be said and i sincerely hope that not only will it help the "silent lamb" victims but that it will also reach at least a few hearts in the witnesses.. but i've been seeing constant references to it lately and i get the idea that some of us may have too high of hopes.. by no means do i mean to try to discourage silentlambs, i think sl will understand and agree with what i am saying here.. my friends, please remember that this will be a situation of 20 minutes or so of airtime by "worldly" media going against lifetimes of teachings by an old and highly skilled powerful worldwide organization.. one reporter from nbc will have approximately 20 minutes to present a very complicated issue with interviews and narration and some minutes will be sacrificed for commercials.
even if nbc decided to devote an entire dateline episode to the topic, it would still leave only a scant amount of time to try and deliver such a weighty story.
Not to worry, Bendrr.
Old pros are on the scene, including network professionals.
Your point is very well taken, not to miss the war in focussing on one battleground.
as i am from another country and many readers here are americans, i hope that somone can help me on the question: who was the vice-precident, when lyndon b. johnson was president in usa?.
tiddelibum.
carlo
bboy, you just bit again--all that bandwidth too.
Yo, Carlo, Shepherd to the Flock Extraordinaire!
Where were you when we really needed you? We do need some rollicking good humor here.
Jerry
disinformation, noun.. 1. deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by an organization, government or especially by an intelligence agency in order to influence public opinion or the government in another nation: he would be the unconscious channel for a piece of disinformation aimed at another country's intelligence service (ken follett).. 2. dissemination of such misleading information.. attributive.. often used to modify another noun: disinformation operations; disinformation experts.. [possibly translation of russian dezinformatsiya.].
maybe we need a reminder from time to time that the fds manual includes a proviso to "be wise as serpents" in their war strategy.
maximus
Your awakening will not be rude, but lots of JWs are going to have one. Wait till folks start discovering PACER and its tidbits.
"Oh, my, is that where our contributions have been going, dear?"
Yes, it's just a sum of money to take care of nuisances. The Society has done it for a very long, long time. No one seems to be getting it that it is coming from the crumpled bills put in the contribution box too, from people who can ill afford it.
Jerome
Disgusted class
"in contrast with humans, who have a limited life span, jehovah never feels pressured by time to reveal his secrets prematurely.
this fact should prevent us from becoming impatient when certain bible questions cannot presently be explained to our satisfaction.
"modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear.
The question that "naturally" follows:
To be consistent, why doesn't the FDS permit red blood cells?
That would solve the surgeon's dilemma in a huge number of cases involving exsanguination of blood; bleeding to death from trauma and the like.
On what basis could it be reasonably argued that red blood cells are different?
call me a neopositivist, a semi-verificationist or semi-falsificationist, but the claims made by "silentlambs" reminds me of the shakespearean line that was quoted in the creator book published by the wtbts.
that is, the contentions of silentlambs seem like much "sound and fury" that in truth signify nothing.
i am of course referring to the supposed dateline show and the claims made about some members of the gb of jehovah's witnesses.
Holy Jaboney, larc. Whoa!
I've enjoyed this interplay so far, but there has been a sea change. Clearly you are getting as serious as a heart attack on this one. You could easily have just given this guy the digitus impudicus/infamis, but now you have upped the ante (you must play mindless cards) and are nailing his callow ass to the xylon. Put up or shut up.
Now Duns is demonstrably naked and out of his league, which heretofore has been relegated to words for the sake of words, for the truly experienced vs. cognoscenti to see. He is not an elder!
Without question he has no experience in these areas; that is abundantly (ab unda: from the flood) clear for all who are experienced to see, and his tediously prolonged verbosity now rings hollow. He is seen to be the apologist that he insidiously is.
QED.
Jerome
Fighting to eschew the show-off jargon.
"in contrast with humans, who have a limited life span, jehovah never feels pressured by time to reveal his secrets prematurely.
this fact should prevent us from becoming impatient when certain bible questions cannot presently be explained to our satisfaction.
"modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear.
<The FDS is now in a situation more comparable to Chamberlain; "He was given the choice between dishonour and war. He chose dishonour and will have war anyway.">
Whether by choice or chance, this statement is positively profound.
which is better in your estimation?
hit the borg with a d.a.
letter or do the slow fade.
The fade ....
and the double life it produces ...
especially in younger males,
is killing the organization and the GB just does not want to get it.
Statistics are brutal.
i had a conversation with my doctor.
i decided to use blood.
i wanted to know my blood type.
A traveling elder shared with me that over the last 25 years he had heard the story and personal conviction of many individuals who secretly give blood on a regular basis. They were aware that vast amounts of blood must be given to provide a single JW who needs Factor VIII or the like, and many had relatives who were recipients of the "kindness of strangers."
I was recently most surprised to learn that a close relative of mine does this on a regular basis, rain or shine, with no compensation but internal satisfaction.
I find this most heartening. I suspect that current but unannounced Society policy is that you can donate the same fractions that you can accept.
you will have to understand that i have to change a few details here and there so that i can't be identified.. as many of you are aware i serve as an elder, and from time to time i have been asked by the service desk to handle matters for them by means of "the special committee arrangement".
(a phrase you will not find in any wt letter or elders textbook.
) just to explain.. "a special committee is often set up when, an original committee (ojc)decides to disfellowship an individual, who then appeals against the judgement.
<The truth is, the whole judicial apparatus is unscriptural. So it cannot succeed because it's man-made.>
The voice of sanity. Thank you, OzP, thank you.
If the apparatus were to be dismantled, all service departments would be decimated.
